Question on Tithing

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A friend of mine sent me a text…I think she sent it to several people as a “poll” of sorts.  She asked, “How should you handle tithing on your tax return”.  I thought it was a great question and I had an answer.

Before I answer the question.  This question came right on the heels of me hearing the very best sermon I have ever heard on tithing.  Seriously.  Since I was sick on Sunday, I watched Pastor Mike Hayes (no relation to Pastor Chad Hayes although they could be brothers, practically).  Click here to listen.  They update this weekly so check it out this week.  If you have ever had questions about tithing,  he explains it in such a way that makes you want to tithe.  Pastor Hayes made a very strong statement, he said (may be a little paraphrased), “If you do not tithe, I question if you are truly saved.  Because tithing is about giving the one to redeem the nine. If you do not understand tithing, I am not certain you understand redemption.”   The hubs and I listed to the message in this link on our drive today (this was not the exact message I heard on Sunday) and we cried.  The Hubs said he had never heard a message on tithing that laid out so clearly why God purposed tithing.  We have always tithed because my Momma ingrained tithing into me (she grew up a good Baptist and Baptist are great tithers).  From when we were little girls, if we received a dollar we gave a dime.  It was never an option.  I am thankful for that heritage and now I understand more clearly, why we do it.

Pastor Randy Phillips who now pastors Promiseland West explained it to us like this.  If, throughout the year, you pay tithes on your gross income (your income before taxes and everything else is taken out) then no, you would not have to tithe on your income tax return as you have already tithed on that as income.  However, if you pay tithes only on your net pay (what you bring home) then yes, you should tithe on your income tax return as it is money you have not yet paid a tithe on.

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11 thoughts on “Question on Tithing

  1. “If you do not tithe, I question if you are truly saved. Because tithing is about giving the one to redeem the nine. If you do not understand tithing, I am not certain you understand redemption.”

    For a preacher to make or suggest such a statement is totally reprehensible! If he were my pastor, I would be worried. Since when did tithing become a salvation issue? Is he in actual fact saying that the early church was not saved as well seeing that they neither taught nor practised tithing.

    Preachers have turned this tithing thing into something else and it is rather despicable. There is no single verse of scripture that commands today’s church to tithe, not one. Instead we are all encouraged to give anything we want to give, willingly and cheerfully.

    This is so sad!

    • He did not say if you do not tithe, you aren’t saved. He said he would question that you even understand the principle of redemption and if you do not understand redemption you may not be saved. There was more to it than what I wrote here.

      I would love for you to listen to the message for yourself and report back on here what you think.

      Also, I love when people say they didn’t practice tithing in the New Testament…they didn’t…they sold EVERYTHING and laid it at the apostles feet.

      • cbgrace said, ‘Also, I love when people say they didn’t practice tithing in the New Testament…they didn’t…they sold EVERYTHING and laid it at the apostles feet.”

        You leave out an important part of this. They waited for Jesus to come back, but while waiting, all the money was spent. Then Paul had to take collections and send it to them as they had nothing left to live on. The Bible does NOT teach that we should do the same.

  2. NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE pays the Biblical tithe today.

    Leviticus 27:30-33, Numbers 18: The First Tithe – a tenth of crops and animals and commanded to take the tithe to the Levites.

    Deuteronomy 14:22-27: The Second Tithe aka The Festival Tithe – a tenth of crops, plus add to that the firstborn animals, and take for the yearly feast.

    Deuteronomy 14:28-29: The Third Tithe aka The Three-Year Tithe aka The Poor Tithe – a tenth of crops, kept at home, and invite the Levites, widows, orphans, stranger to eat.

    Now, tell me. Which of the above three tithes commanded by God does anyone follow today?

    The ONLY people in the Old Testament that were commanded to tithe were those who INHERITED THE PROMISED LAND WITH EVERYTHING ON IT. They got the land, house, animals, crops, etc. ALL FREE AND CLEAR. No mortgage payment or rent to pay. And THEY were commanded to tithe on the crops and animals and take it to the Levites who INHERITED the tithe INSTEAD OF the promised land with everything on it. No one else tithed. Wage earners did not tithe. Jesus didn’t tithe. Paul didn’t tithe. Peter didn’t tithe.

    The Bible CLEARLY SHOWS that the tithe ENDED at the cross in the Book of Hebrews. In the first nine verses of Hebrews 7 the words tenth or tithes appears SEVEN TIMES. The ONLY place in the Bible, after Calvary, that tithing appears is in Hebrews 7.

    In Hebrews 7:5 we are told that Levi (the Levites) took the tithes under the law. In Hebrews 7:12 we are told that when the priesthood changes, the law will change. Hebrews 7:18 is telling us that Numbers 18 was disannulled. Numbers 18 established the Levitical priesthood, and part of that establishing included tithing. When the Levitical priesthood ended (at Calvary, or at least in the year 70AD when the temple was destroyed), all laws that established that priesthood were canceled. If Numbers 18 wasn’t canceled, we would still be under the Levitical priesthood.

    Those who try to tithe today are rejecting what Jesus did on the cross. He paid the price IN FULL.

    Pastors who teach tithing today seem to lack faith that God will take care of His Church. These pastors are putting their trust in man rather than in God. I refuse to attend any church services where the pastor teaches and collects the tithe.

    I find it quite offensive that pastors have appointed themselves to be the receiver of what belongs to God. After all, the pastor says the tithe belongs to God. Then he self-appoints himself to receive the tithe!!!

    God never gave any pastor or church permission to receive his tithe or his gifts. God commanded His tithe be taken to the Levites, FOREVER, in Numbers 18.

    Since the tithe belongs to God, if your pastor accepts it isn’t he stealing it from God?

    The New Testament teaches generous, sacrificial giving, from the heart, according to our means. For some, $1 might be a sacrifice, while for others, even giving 50% of their income might not induce a sacrifice. In the Old Testament, ONLY the farmers tithed, and it was equal percentage (a tenth). The New Testament teaches the principle of equal sacrifice instead of equal percentage. Equal sacrifice is much harder to achieve, if not impossible, than giving ten percent.

    • 1. Again, would love to hear what you have to say based on the teaching. Please listen to the teaching and comment.

      2. I never said we should copy what was done in the New Testament. It wasn’t required, just said they did it. 😀

      • I’m sorry to say, but Pastor Mike Hayes needs to read his Bible a little more carefully.

        The Biblical tithe was NEVER, and I repeat, NEVER the first.

        God defined His tithe in Leviticus 27:30-33 to be a tenth of the crops (NOT the first tenth, but any tenth) and every TENTH animal in herds and flocks (NOT the first, but rather the LAST ONE out of every ten) whether that animal be good OR BAD. NOT the first. NOT the best. Read the scriptures for yourself and see Pastor Hayes’ error.

        Pastor Hayes is mixing first born, first fruits, and tithes and all three are totally different from each other.

        Pastor Hayes is very good at taking verses out of context. God NEVER said the FIRST of everything is His. That is just plain false teaching.

        In Nehemiah 10:37 we learn that the firstfruits were taken to the temple for the priests, and the tithes were taken to the Levites who lived in the Levitical cities. In other words, the firstfruits went one place, and the tithe went to another place.

        Pastors love to use Proverbs 3:9: “Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:”

        Firstfruits of all thine increase means FIRST OF THE PRODUCE and has NOTHING to do with income or money. If the pastor wants to play games with God’s Word and apply that verse to one’s income, then he should also do it with:
        2 Timothy 2:6 (KJV) “The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.”

        Pastor Hayes is a false preacher when it comes to this topic. He may have good intentions, but good intentions don’t make up for ignorance.

        Please read the scriptures for yourself. It is so easy to be taken in by these false preachers.

  3. Seems most people then were farmers.

    What about the first tithe? When Abram tithed to Melchizedek? He wasn’t tithing on farming…he was tithing on the the gains of warfare.

    • Abram tithed on war spoils that didn’t even belong to him and he kept nothing for himself. There is no scripture to show that Abram ever tithed on any of his own income or property. Today that would be giving away stolen property, but during the time of Abram, Biblical historians agree that it was custom to give a tenth of the war spoils to the king. Interesting to note that God didn’t want a tenth of war spoils during the time of the Mosaic law. God only wanted 1.1%, not a tenth.

      Many say that in Biblical times they didn’t have money and that the economy was based on bartering of goods and services. That is not so. The Bible shows they not only had money, but that money was used as a common way of doing business.

      According to the International Bible Encyclopedia, the days of mere bartering ended before the days of Abraham.

      Here are just a few examples from The Word to show they did, in fact, use money in Biblical times.

      The tithing law itself proves they had both money and a marketing system for buying and selling their crops and animals (Deuteronomy 14:24-26).

      THE PURCHASE OF LAND WITH MONEY BY ABRAHAM – Genesis 23:15-16

      THE PURCHASE OF LAND WITH MONEY BY JACOB – Genesis 33:19

      JOSEPH WAS SOLD TO THE ISHMEELITES FOR MONEY – Genesis 37:28

      A MONEY OFFERING TO BE USED FOR THE SERVICE OF THE TABERNACLE – Exodus 30:14-16,

      USING SHEKEL OF SILVER TO VALUE A RAM – Leviticus 5:15

      THE FOLLOWING VERSES REFER TO WAGES: Genesis 29:15, Genesis 30:28, Genesis 31:7-8, Genesis 31:41, Exodus 2:9, Leviticus 19:13, Malachi 3:5, etc.

      THEY HAD A MONEY STANDARD

      There are several places in Scripture indicating that scales were used to weigh metals and other items. The Law of Moses, for example, commands Jews not to use dishonest standards, but instead, to use honest scales and honest weights. (See also Deut. 25:13-15; Job 6:2-3; 31:6; Psa. 62:9; Prov. 11:1; 16:11; 20:10, 23; Isa. 40:12; 46:6; and Jer. 32:10).

      Leviticus 19:35-36 – Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight or quantity. Use honest scales and honest weights, an honest ephah and an honest hin. I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt.

      In order for money to be an exchangeable equivalent for other commodities in today’s society, there must be a standard in place. Likewise, the Old Testament also had a set standard both prior to the law and during the law. A reference to a pre-law standard is in Genesis 23:16.

      Merchants in biblical times traveled from place to place conducting business. According to the written law, the standard weight for metals was set according to the sanctuary shekel (See also Ex 30:13, 24; 38:24-26; Lev. 5:15; Num. 7:13-86; 18:16).

      Leviticus 27:25 – Every value is to be set according to the sanctuary shekel, …

      In addition, 2 Samuel 14:26 shows that the weight standard for the shekel was set by the royal standard. No matter which era in history is studied, there existed a standard for the weight of precious metals.

      Money was also used throughout the law. For example, God’s people gave money to support the tabernacle (Ex. 30:14-16; 38:24-31). There are many other examples that illustrate money’s place within the written law and indicate that money was indeed a part of everyday life. Exodus 35 provides such an example.

      Exodus 35:5, 21-22 – From what you have, take an offering for the LORD. Everyone who is willing is to bring to the LORD an offering of gold, silver and bronze;

      And there are many more examples to show that money was used for everyday transactions well before the Levitical tithe.

  4. Interesting Observations Concerning Paying Tithes

    And they all took hold of Sosthenes, the leader of the synagogue, and began beating him in front of the judgment seat. But Gallio was not concerned about any of these things. ( Acts 18:17 )

    Before all this happened, Gallio drove this group of people from out of his court ( Acts 18:16 )

    Why?

    It was the matter in which they appeared before his court with – A matter that they should have settled THEMSELVES, SINCE it involved questions about words and names and their OWN law ( Acts 18:15 )

    What they presented was strictly a Jewish matter, and Gallio being a non-Jew ( a Gentile ) had no concern for those things – in other words, it did not concern him.

    Now let`s take this into account and go back to the time when Jesus confronted the scribes and Pharisees about their obedience to the Law, in which we have learned would have to mean, that both Jesus and the group He was talking to were Jews. And if this is the case, how is it that some have tried to use this verse and say Jesus endorsed Gentiles paying tithes — when paying tithes was strictly a Jewish matter?

    You hypocrites!, you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. ( Matt. 23:23 )

    As anyone can see, Jesus was not speaking to Gentiles about their obedience to the Law given to the Jews by Moses, how is it that many interpret this verse as if He did?

    Our interpretations would have us not see ( as even Gallio understood ), that the Law of the Jews ( which included paying tithes ) did not pertain to the Gentiles.

    —– Here is another observation ——–

    Regarding Pre-Law Tithing, A Universal Principle

    When someone says to me, tithing existed before the Law … what comes to my mind is how sin also existed before the Law.

    When the Law came, did the Law change sin? ( make it of no effect, null, and void? ) Of course Not!
    … My next question then is, what happened to the so-called tithing before the Law ( the one that many say Abraham and Isaac practiced ) when the Law came?

    Did the Law make their so-called form of tithing of non effect? Or did
    there exist at the same time two forms of tithing,Pre-Law & Law tithing ?
    If so, which one was more superior?
    Or was that even such a choice?

    Therefore there is a confusion that is brought on by saying there existed a tithing before the Law and nothing is said of what happened to it when the Law came? … my guess, it took a back seat or so … ! 🙂

    Thanks for your reply

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